Liam Dyson |
In this edition of the blog, and what with it being 'Wednesday Week', I asked fellow Barnsley blogger and Tarn fanatic, Liam Dyson to give us his thoughts on this particular fixture and our local rivals.
Here - in his inimitable style - is what he came up with... enjoy!
I suppose there was no choice who I was going to support.. My Dad has been a regular at Oakwell for about 40 years and ever since the 3rd round of the League Cup in ’95 when a Bergkamp inspired Arsenal beat us 3-0 at home I was hooked.
This was my Dad’s town, my Dad’s team and now it was ours. Something to share and from that day it’s probably been the main source of our time together.
Ever since that Autumn I’ve had arguments at school, college, work, in the boozer, toilets and street with Wednesday fans, born and bred in Barnsley who apparently ‘hate’ their home town team.
Ever since that Autumn I’ve had arguments at school, college, work, in the boozer, toilets and street with Wednesday fans, born and bred in Barnsley who apparently ‘hate’ their home town team.
I still have those arguments today nearly twenty years later. How can you hate your town? In essence, a football club is just that – your town. Your name. Your history.
"Where you from mate?"
"Barnsley."
"Where you from mate?"
"Barnsley."
"Do you go to games?"
"Nar, can’t stand ‘em. I’m a Wednesday fan."
Now I understand someone following a side because - just like me - a parent did. But the key difference here is my Dad made the right choice. Yours didn’t.
He went to watch Wednesday on a club trip with my Grandad but had the moral character to rise above it. Yours didn’t.
Unless you have real links to an area, at one point in the past someone in your family started watching a side because they thought they were good. Simple as.
Leeds fans fall into that, so do Liverpool, Man Utd etc. Deep down, you know you and your family shit on your home town. I hope you’re proud.
This post isn’t a dig at Wednesday fans. It’s not your fault where you were born and I’ve utmost respect in you HAVING to support that shower of shite.
The majority I meet are idiots. But there’s scientific proof somewhere that it’s an environmental factor – there’s too many for it to be coincidence.
This post is about those who have ‘Barnsley District General’ on their birth certificate but lack any sort of respect for their own town’s team.
I grew up with plenty. Still class a few as mates although they have something in common – they’re usually bells whose opinion on football I’d rank alongside Andy Townsend’s..
But there’s one thing that bugs me about these ‘glory hunting’ Wednesday fans from the local areas.
But there’s one thing that bugs me about these ‘glory hunting’ Wednesday fans from the local areas.
What glory attracted you?
The mid table Premier League years? The stats in your 96/97 Rothman’s Annual that talks of the days of 1902-1904 where you retained the Div 1 title? Or that controversial yet memorable 1934/35 FA Cup glory?
I don’t get it. I understand for the Leeds/Liverpool/Man Utd. I do. It’s not right but it’s understandable. But Wednesday? Really?
I suppose there is some poetic justice that those lads pretending to be Waddle on a Barnsley playing field have seen no glory at all - just failure. Under achievement and being that ‘sleeping giant’ the likes of Peter Beagrie goes on about.
I suppose there is some poetic justice that those lads pretending to be Waddle on a Barnsley playing field have seen no glory at all - just failure. Under achievement and being that ‘sleeping giant’ the likes of Peter Beagrie goes on about.
It’s a lesson to future generations – supporting your team is not about glory. You don’t know what winning is until you’ve seen your team lose 1-0 at home on a Tuesday night to the bottom of league with a last minute winner in the middle of January where you can’t feel your feet, they've run out of Bovril and you’ve left your gloves at home.
These Barnsley lads went searching for gold – they came back with a MASSIVE bag of shit. Natural justice.
These Barnsley lads went searching for gold – they came back with a MASSIVE bag of shit. Natural justice.
You Reds.
Thanks to Liam for his honesty, and help with this particular article.
You can follow him 'HERE' on twitter.
Also, he has his own Barnsley related blog page: 'West Stand Bogs'
I can certainly relate to what Liam is getting at.
I remember growing up surrounded by Wednesday fans in Elsecar.
But it was amusing to see so many of them at Oakwell in 1997/98. We'd done the impossible and reached the promised land, and a load of them jumped on board the bandwagon..
I don't see so many of them nowadays down Grove Street, though. Perhaps I'll drop on a few down Leppings Lane on Saturday. Or, perhaps they've magically sworn allegiance to Man City by now, Chelsea even...?
Bollocks to em.
THIS is my club.
When we beat someone by more than a goal it's special. Even more appealing is doing it with just six or seven thousand fellow Tarn supporters alongside you.
I don't look at those empty red seats and wish they were occupied.
I see them empty and pity the soft gets who clearly prefer to support a Man City or United from the comfort of their sofa.
I don't pay much attention to the Premier League, and I didn't get all excited when Sergio Aguero scored THAT goal last season.
I do though recall Mansfield Town turning us over at Oakwell, with another 'Andy White' scoring in front of the Ponty End.
When Wednesday line up with their latest high profile loanee on Saturday (some foreigner from Hull with a funny name) I'll stand proud as ever, as the likes of Perkins and Dagnall run amok.
We're a proper club. With proper supporters. Nobody 'picks' Barnsley as 'their' team for the glory.
You're from Tarn? Then if you choose to 'support' some other team you're doing football all wrong.
Sithi.
Thanks for reading. And remember, tomorrow we have my good friend and Barnsley Player commentator, Matt Bailey with us..
UP THE TARN!
Nice witty article Liam.
ReplyDeleteFunny that, all my Owls fan buddies from my glory days following Wednesday in the early 80's thru to the mid 90's were from the 'Tarn'.
I think the main attraction was probably the size of the away support during this period which ranked with any in the country, every away match was like a Club Trip!
Anyway, for all your jibes, I've always had a soft spot for Barnsley, so let's hope we both stay up.
Enjoy your day out in Sheffield but try not to get a stiff neck from staring at all them tall buildings!
WAWAW
Load of crap. Notice you manage to forget us winning cup in 91 and 2 cup finals in 93.
ReplyDeleteIm barnsley born and bred i dont "hate" barnsley but i love wednesday. And ive followed them through good times and bad.
Barnsley are a club without ambition - Owls have much unfulfilled potential and plenty of ambition.
Whats the point of following a club with no ambition? The ups and downs and emotion of being a wednesday fan far outweigh the mundane world of a Barnsley fan!
You Sir, have given this article serious weight.
DeleteThanks, sell-out.
Last 15 years
DeleteBarnsley - 2 Wembley appearances (FA Cup semi & Championship play off), 1 Millenium stadium appearance (Lge 1 play off), 2 promotions, 2 relegations, 3 FA Cup Quarter final appearances...
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DeleteCould not have put it better mesen,tha's just med me feel proud of mesen.
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ReplyDeleteIt's the Wednesday I love. We've had so many ups and downs yet we are backed by so many people. A lot of the current Premier league teams have respect for Wednesday, for our support and for our on the whole good sense of humour, especially in bad times.
ReplyDeleteAsk many league one clubs and they hate us. Why? Jealousy. They wish they were part of a team so passionate and dedicated as ours. Like it or lump it.
I'm always Wednesday through and through, I'm sure you are with Barnsley. This is such a non-article.
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ReplyDeleteLiam Dyson gets a job as a primary teacher at a school in Barnsley and, trying to make a good impression on his first day, explains to his class that he is a Barnsley fan. He asks his students to raise their hands if they, too, are Barnsley fans. Everyone in the class raises their hand expect one little girl.
ReplyDeleteLiam looks at the girl with surprise and says: "Mary, aah come thas not raised thee 'and?"
"Because I'm not a Barnsley fan," she replied.
Liam, still shocked, asked: "Well if thas not a Baaaarnsley fan, then who does tha suppoeert?"
"I'm a Wednesday fan, and proud of it," Mary replied.
Liam could not believe his ears.
"Mary, why the chuff is tha a bleedin Wednesdayite?"
"Because my mum and dad are from Sheffield, and my mum is a Wednesday fan and my dad is a Wednesday fan, so I'm a Wednesday fan too!"
"Well," said Liam, in a obviously annoyed tone, "that's no reason for tha to be a fan oer MASSIVES. Tha dunt 'av to be just like thi mam n dad all time tha knows. What if thi mam wa' a prostitute and thi dad wa' a drug dealer and car thief, what would tha be then?"
"Then," Mary smiled, "I'd be a Barnsley fan."
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DeleteWhitey I often berate you for not having enough tits on your blog. Glad to see you have finally taken heed and have several on here today..
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They're basically giving credence to every point we made in this article.
DeleteBrains of Sheffield.
being doncaster born and bred and going when i was a kid to watch the pykies, i discovered my love of the reds in about 79 whilst on leave from the army and courting and later marrying a barnsley lass gladly shes a thing of the past but my love of that mighty red heart breaking (at times) machine is still with me ( thank whatever deity), may the force be with you.
ReplyDeleteWhich ones breaking your heart - your wife / sister or Barnsley?
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ReplyDeleteYoure Barnsley born and bred, you have no connection with Sheffield but when you say 'us' youre refering to wendies. I hate all the plastic Man u fans but at least you can understand it. How can a club with one milk cup win in nearly 80 years be attractive to an outsider. An outsider with no soul, no self respect, no heart. The premier league is full of them, what a shame.
ReplyDeletewe r guna smash the wendies, roll on saturday.
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DeleteYea feed the dingles - feed the scousers very old song you changed a word brilliant. Dingles stolen off blackburn. Must be the young uns your talking about. Our lads dont bother with your mickey mouse mob summat to do with 30 years of chasing shadows
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DeleteFeed the Dingles original? Yes nicked off the Man Utd song for the scousers, well done.
DeleteFritzls - Original, The Sheffield Family....
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DeleteAh thars reet lad, i was only sayin to mi whippet last week, "ey up darling, fancy all these chuffin Wendy fans in ar taaaaaaaarn, it meks me sick so it does." They come eeere and tekk arrr jobs, and live in aarrr houses i blame Thatcher so i do, she's obviously a Wendy. Scum of t'earth so they are coming into our taaarn with their weird five digits on each hand and women wiv no facial hair. It's not reet i tell thee.
ReplyDeleteKes.
Wow, originality of Porktalk.
DeleteTry googling "British Fritzl Sheffield"
Thats the best Wednesday has had to offer for the past 10-15 years and now you've run out of banter.
Seriously, someone needs to collect all these bizarre blog posts together and put them in a book to go with the rest of those 'funny' books you find in HMV and the like...... you know the ones, 'Crap Towns', 'Time Waster's Letters' etc.
ReplyDeleteIt's interesting to compare these Barnsley fan blogs with the Wednesday lad you had on here a few days back: http://tarnreview.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/wednesday-away-owls-perspective.html
Shows this so called rivalry up for what it really is - a bunch of Barnsley lads with bitter playground memories...
But its perfectly ok when your load of keyboard warriors are giving out the abuse on owltastic everyday
DeleteI was going to ask one of the Wednesday lads from Owls Talk to give me a witty, 'banter' filled article in a similar vein as this one.. but for reasons unknown they won't let me on their forum anymore.
DeleteI wonder why? (no I don't)
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ReplyDeleteI thought most fans had long since realised the 'Massive' thing is supposed to be a joke, but I'd forgotten about Barnsley - The Land That Time Forgot, where flares are still in fashion, 10CC are hot up-and-coming group, and everyone can't wait to find out who shot JR.
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HANDBALL!!!!
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ReplyDelete9th most successful club in English football - above Leeds United - so if you can understand 'glory hunting' for Leeds, then I am sure you can understand it for Wednesday.
ReplyDelete4 times Champions of England, 3 times FA Cup Winners, and 1 time League Cup Winners.
But then, you're not the brightest bulb in the box, so I can see how you're easily confused.
PS Barnsley aren't Wednesday's rivals - United have that pleasure. So, why not go and try and create a rivalry with another club in South Yorkshire who is of similar size to your own club and has no rivalry of their own either? After all, you have Doncaster and Rotherham to choose from!
Jesus christ he's bringing up history here from when a team of mechanics were able to win the FA Cup.
Delete1 trophy on 70 odd years, more successful than Leeds? give up, they've won European Trophies and produced a great team through the 70's that won plenty. Your "glory" years were headed by a dingle - David Hirst
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DeleteI'd rather have 2 Uefa cups in the bag than any FA Cup or League cup. You didn't have much glory though during the Hirst years, 1 league cup..... that is all. And glory years back in the days when like you say Huddersfield were the best team in the land, suppose you enjoyed getting one over the Old Etonians and Royal Engineers back then.....
DeleteNewco tarn - That all you got? we didn't fold, read into it then you'll realise how silly you sound. This year we celebracted our 125 year history with a lifelong Barnsley supporter at the helm. Not some dodgy foreigner looking for a quick buck.
Dave Allen got his millions back yet or have you screwed him over as well? How much debt did you have?
And how long ago were all these 'honours'? I think your still living in that bygone age.dont consider you rivals just the annoying lot down the road with dellusions of grandeur
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ReplyDeleteDingle = Fictional
DeleteFritzl = Real Sheffield story.
Watch your 6 digits in the door on your way out
Good one Dingle, I like it! lol
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ReplyDeleteI wasn't talking in Barnsley/Wednesday context, I was talking in general, in which case you use the third person, numpty!
ReplyDeleteJust to put your mind at rest, I have let the Villa fans know that all their league titles in the 1800's means nowt because a Barnsley fan has spoken. They replied, "Barnsley?". My thoughts exactly!
By the way, learn the difference between 'your' and 'you're' - it will help make your sentences make a little more sense!
UP THE NEWCO TARN!!
Newco Tarn? we were took over owd cock, with about £2-£3 million of debt, what was your debt again for years? Paid the bank back all those millions yet or have they let you off?
DeleteYou've probably realised Milan hasn't a penny to scratch his arse with and that's why you haven't and won't make the Premier league again.
Enjoy the decaying Hillsborough, with no world cup on the horizon you won't get that paid for either. We've only one stand left to finish.
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DeleteWell, well, nice to see some folk are worked up from this story. I'm a Barnsley supporter, but was not born in the district hospital, my dad was, he took me to games from a young age. He also told me not to visit too many blogs of opposition teams.....
ReplyDeleteWednesday's going down, you're going down, you're going down you're going Wednesday going down.
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ReplyDeleteAnorak? Nah Dingle, I just have a bit of intelligence and footballing knowledge - something you wouldn't understand!
DeleteNice to see you took on board my 'your' and 'you're' lesson anyhow - it has most certainly helped make your ramblings make a little more sense.
Why drag Villa, Liverpool, Everton and Spurs up? Well, cos they are famous too for their historic success and join Wednesday in the top 10 most successful clubs of all time in English football. I was wondering if their successes should also be dismissed, like you dismiss ours, given the majority of their success is historic too?
Or is that paragraph a little too long for you to understand?
UP THE NEWCO TARN!!! EST. 2003
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Delete9th most successful according to Wikipedia - who rate the league cup higher than the Europa cup. Enough said.
DeleteKeep feeding the pig sty faithful with the same shite for the next 15 years that you've had to endure for the last 15 years and your crowds won't last. It'll be folklore "dah den, there were a time when dem owls turned in over 20,000 at home games back in the day...."
Yep, 15 years and we still get some of the biggest crowds in English football. You can call us what you want, but we Sheffielders (of both colours in fairness) don't don the Man United shirts when things get tough - unlike the rest of South Yorkshire.
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"We don't care about Barnsley they aren't a rival etc etc"
oh aye....
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DeleteNah den i think you lot are a bunch of cheeky tykes. Look ar massive we are, look at all fans we've got. Look at us ground its great intit? Please say wi great please. We are massive aren't we? Aren't we tho?
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ReplyDeleteoutsider looking in these swfc fans think there club is massive but i have been looking at the premiership table and can not find them where are they? goog luck bfc
ReplyDeleteCheers pal. Hopefully league 1's where you'll find them next season. Just a bunch of gobby pricks
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ReplyDeleteNow now, people.
ReplyDeleteIt's only football.......
That '9th most succesful team in the country' comment has made my day. Cheers lads.
ReplyDeleteAnd appreciate your comments you f.ck tards.
Dyson.
Find it funny all them on owlstalk trying to give it the big un. Then i realise its just the shirter geeks and its MUCH MUCH FUNNIER
ReplyDeletePersonally I like Barnsley - have had a soft spot for them since they formed, just like I do with other new clubs like AFC Wimbledon, FC United, FC Halifax etc.
ReplyDeleteAm I right in thinking this is the 7th or 8th time Wednesday and Newco Barnsley have met?
He's back the most boring man in the word
ReplyDelete"All of us at Sheffield Wednesday would like to welcome Barnsley FC (reformed) to Hillsborough, for what proves to be an exciting clash in their 11th year..."
ReplyDeleteEven the club knows you're not the real Barnsley!
If this is what they're like when they're shit can you imagine what they'd be like with any degree of success?!?! The mind boggles
ReplyDeleteDo people from Barnsley have imaginations?
DeleteThats rich have you?
ReplyDeleteUsed to like going to hillsbrough in the 80's and 90's took silly numbers 10,000 wasn't unheard of. Virtually unhindered. Proper pisstake day out like rotherham
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